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How the known unknowns could affect the General Election results in Northern Ireland

With 2010 around the corner, the General Election becomes ever more omnipresent. 

Voting outcomes in Northern Ireland at the General Election will be harder to predict than in any other region.  Since the Assembly Elections in 2007, so many new features have emerged (we will call them “known unknowns”) onto the political scene that the results of past elections can be viewed as nothing more than a starting point.  We may be in a new era of voting trends but until new patterns emerge, the old ones should not yet be ignored.

The tables below are the percentages achieved by the four main Northern Ireland political parties since 1992, excluding the Euro elections apart from 2004 and 2009 (because the votes for Ian Paisley and John Hume were personal votes). 

A = Assembly Elections.   C = District Council Elections   P = UK Parliamentary Elections  E = European Elections

  P 1992 C 1993 F 1996 P 1997 C 1997 A 1998 C 2001
               
DUP 13.10 17.00 18.80 13.60 16.00 18.14 21.40
UUP 34.50 29.00 24.17 32.70 28.00 21.25 22.90
SDLP 23.50 22.00 21.36 24.10 21.00 21.97 19.40
SF 10.00 12.00 15.47 16.10 17.00 17.63 20.70
Others 18.90 20.00 20.21 13.20 19.97 21.02 15.60
               

 

  P 2001 A 2003 C 2005 E 2004 P 2005 A  2007 E 2009
               
DUP 22.50 25.60 29.60 32.00 33.70 30.10 18.10
UUP 26.80 22.70 18.00 16.60 17.70 14.90 17.00
SDLP 21.00 17.00 17.40 15.90 17.50 15.20 16.10
SF 21.70 23.50 23.20 26.30 24.30 26.20 25.80
Others 8.70 11.20 11.80 9.10 6.70 13.20 22.00

The following graph below is a representation of these tables  (please click the graph to see it enlarged).

The graph shows that the voting strength declined for both the SDLP and the UUP before the Good Friday agreement.  The relationship between Sinn Fein’s level of support and that of the SDLP follows a much smoother trend than that of the Unionist parties.  This is due, in part, to the fact that the leading Unionist Party tended to attract a higher level of support at a General Election, where the first-past-the-post system of voting still exists, than at the Council and Assembly Elections.  However, averaging out these trends shows that between 1992 and 2007 the UUP has fallen from 35% to 17% (down 18%) In the same period, the DUP has advanced from 13% to 30% (up 17%).  In these 15 years, that would make a swing of 17.5%

The Sinn Fein advance would have began since it first entered elections in 1981.  After a brief relapse following the Enniskillen bomb in 1987, they reverted to their long term upward trend at the expense of the SDLP.  Between 1992 and 2007, Sinn Fein moved from 10% to 26% (up 16).  In the same period, the SDLP moved from 24% to 16% (down 8).  That represents a swing from SDLP to Sinn Fein of 12%.

The graph and the tables also indicate that the decline of the moderate parties seems to have been arrested at the latest European Election.  Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that Sinn Fein and the UUP are now at the head of Stormont.

The Northern Ireland Life and Times Survey has been an enigma in terms of the results of the Elections, for a number of years.   They show great inconsistency between the support of a party in terms of sympathy and allegiance and what happens at the polling booth.  In the 2007 survey, in response to the question “Which Northern Ireland political party do you feel closest to, even if you do not always vote for them?” respondents answered as follows:

  %
Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) 20
Sinn Féin 14
Ulster Unionist Party (UUP) 18
Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP) 20
Alliance 8
Other party (please specify) 2
None of these 15
Other answer 1
Don’t know 1

The results for 2008 show very little difference.

Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) 21
Sinn Féin 13
Ulster Unionist Party (UUP) 18
Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP) 19
Alliance Party 7
Other party 1
None of these 21
Other answer 0
Don’t know 1

At elections, a substantial number of voters opt for an extreme party.  The deviation from moderation seems to be greater on the Nationalist side.  Why is this? 

It is probably an instinct, in a sectarian voting system, that you vote for the party that you think will be strongest against the other (extreme) side.  Liam Clarke, writing in the Newsletter a couple of weeks ago, gave us this very insightful view.

Even the peace process was marked by an increase in support for the most extreme parties available, Sinn Fein and the DUP, who are now coming under pressure from yet harder line forces.

Part of the problem is that we human beings tend not to think of ourselves as extreme.

Our own views seem no more than common sense, the only response possible in the circumstances.

It is easier to spot extremism, blinkered views, perverse opinions and hypocrisy in those with whom we disagree.

And, having spotted these negative qualities, the next step is not to listen to the “self-serving nonsense” our opponents keep spouting.
We don’t have to hear them out to know they are wrong; it is easier to just stick to what we know to be right.

That leads me on to one reason why we often imagine that, as a society, we are really more moderate than the politicians we vote for in overwhelming numbers.

When Ian Paisley was still considered a hard liner, a party worker told me that many people voted for him but wouldn’t admit it to a journalist; they regarded it as a private matter like an insurance policy.

They counted on Paisley to raise the alarm if things were going wrong.
The same thing happened with Sinn Fein which for many years scored far lower in the polls than they did in elections – people didn’t like declaring themselves as Shinners, or even thinking of themselves as such, but they didn’t mind voting for them as a strong nationalist voice.

Clarke is probably right, subject to one modification. It probably does not matter if the strongest Unionist voice or the strongest Nationalist voice is extremist or moderate, so long as they are the strongest.   

This would suggest that the key to predicting the outcome of future elections lies in assessing who is the strongest party on a particular side of the sectarian divide.   However, that kind of voter mindset is liable to develop with a new set of circumstances.   It is still less than 3 years since all of the political parties accepted power sharing in Northern Ireland.   Could it be that voters will begin to assess the strength of a political party in more sophisticated ways than in the past?   Could it be that the ability of a party to negotiate, co-operate and govern in harmony with parties from the opposite designation will become a basis on which to judge a party’s strength? 

There are early signs that this may be starting to happen.  The Belfast Telegraph has began to take its own opinion polls.  In a follow up report, it published some but not all of its findings.  Its editor, Mike Gibson, made this comment:

This poll is a snapshot of course, but it is a very interesting snapshot.

“It suggests that we maybe moving into a different phase of political life here in which politicians are judged as much on their performance in the here and now as on their history.

“If so, that has to be seen as a positive step. If the message is that some people are recognising that politicians can begin the journey from conflict towards statesmanship it is to be welcomed.

“If the message is that our politicians must do more to leave their historical baggage at the door of the debating chamber that too is positive.”

This is a signal whifh neither Sinn Fein nor the DUP can afford to ignore, particularly in terms of how they handle the devlolution of policing and justice.  

The 2009 European Elections have already heralded a change in voting patterns on the Unionist side but none on the Nationalist side.  This suggests that up to June 2009, at least, the Northern Ireland electorate had not passed any judgment on the exercise of power sharing.  Rather, it was a neutral factor.

13.7% of the Northern Ireland electorate voted for Jim Allister of the TUV as a first preference vote at the Euro Elections.   Could it be that some former TUV voters are so disaffected by the fact that the DUP share power with Sinn Fein that they have decided never to vote for the DUP unless there is no unionist left? 

The fact that Nicholson was the first Unionist MEP to be elected on the 3rd count, overtaking Diane Dodds of the DUP after the elimination of Jim Allister gives credence to that proposition.  Some of the TUV vote could also have been a personal vote for Allister or perhaps an ominous sign that amongst some of the Unionist voters, Jim Allister is now considered to be the strongest voice in Unionism.  In North Antrim, where Allister intends to stand at the General Election, he has a strong chance of establishing a new power base.

So far as the UUP are concerned, it is far too early to say whether the link-up with the Conservatives has benefited them electorally.  The Euro Elections came too quickly for the parties to put forward much more than a dull, but safe, campaign to secure the election of Jim Nicholson. 

One of the objects of the joint Conservative UUP pact is to bring an end to sectarian politics.  From the trend shown by the European Elections, I do not expect many more than token numbers of Catholics to switch their allegiance from one of the Nationalist parties at the next General Election. 

However, there are other factors which could benefit UCUNF.  The first assumes that amongst the Unionists, the TUV supporters will either vote for a TUV candidate or (if none) switch to a UCUNF candidate in an anti-DUP vote. 

What the Conservatives really want, as a first major step towards dominating politics in Northern Ireland, is to be seen, together with the UUP as the strongest voice in Unionism.  David Cameron is by far and away the most charismatic figure in the Unionist camp.  As to his likely impact and that of the Conservative campaign as a whole, we are in uncharted water.  It probably all boils down to the degree of interest taken by Northern Ireland voters in national politics.  If interest in National politics starts to take off properly in Northern Ireland, the Conservative campaign will make an impact. 

One other factor which would benefit UCUNF is if the Executive is brought down.  Such an event would almost certainly cause considerable damage to the DUP.  In that scenario, UCUNF would probably emerge as the largest unionist force.  This possibility is discussed further on.

On the Nationalist side, there will be a new SDLP leader by the time of the General Election.  It had previously been thought that Margaret Ritchie would win the leadership contest.  More recent insight suggests that the race is much closer with McDonald being seen as the “tougher” looking politician.  Toughness is something which the SDLP needs in its leadership.  Perhaps the long leadership election campaign will help both of these candidates to develop as tougher leaders.

Within the media, the question rages as to the extent of the damage to Gerry Adams’ reputation over his handling of his brother’s position as a Sinn Fein worker.  Within Northern Ireland at least, Sinn Fein has Martin McGuinness as a second political talisman.  A recent opinion poll has suggested that Martin McGuinness is the most popular of all ministers.  The Adams family scandal has a long way to run but so long as McGuinness is not implicated over the decision to ignore Liam Adams’ abuse of his daughter, I would expect little damage to Sinn Fein at the General Election.  Over a longer period, the scandal is much more likely to cause it much more damage as the drip feed of constant media exposure wears down the resistance of its supporters.

There is one more “But.”  Would Sinn Fein be damaged at the General Election if it brought down the Executive over Police and Justice? 

This is probably the one issue at Stormont which could influence the General Election.  If the Executive is brought down, the combined effect of this event and the Adams family scandal could be a lethal cocktail for Sinn Fein leading to a violent swing away from their core vote.  In that scenario, 3 seats could be lost (Fermanagh / S. Tyrone to UCUNF, West Tyrone to the SDLP and Newry Armagh to the SDLP).

That is a very big “if”.  It is hard to believe that Sinn Fein will have any stomach for bringing down the Executive but they will now need the DUP (who also have an interest in keeping the present administration alive) to find them a way out of the P & J crisis without losing face. 

As we move into the New Year, we wait in eager anticipation as these known unknowns to developing and possibly alter the political map of Northern Ireland. 

My prediction for the 18 Northern Ireland seats at the General Election (which assumes that the DUP and SF reach an understanding over P & J).

DUP  6   (down 3)

SF     5    (no change)

SDLP 3   (no change)

UCUNF  3  (up 2)

TUV  1 (up 1)

Finally, a very Happy New Year to all readers of this Blog.

24 Responses

  1. posted by Kathleen Collins

    Sinn Fein has ‘unknowns’ for this next election. How many voters will stay home because they don’t want to vote for Sinn Fein and feel they can’t vote for another party. Sinn Fein has lost many members and that will also be an issue. The best thing so far for martin mcguiness is the gerry adams scandal because for the time being it is taking the attention off of him and his threatened deadline of ‘before Chritsmas’. There is lots to play out…and the old ways are gone.

  2. My prediction for the 18 Northern Ireland seats at the General Election (which assumes that the DUP and SF reach an understanding over P & J).

    DUP 6 (down 3)

    SF 5 (no change)

    SDLP 3 (no change)

    UCUNF 3 (up 2)

    TUV 1 (up 1)

    Finally, a very Happy New Year to all readers of this Blog.

    sorry but as much as i admire your opinions seymour.I think you are way out.

    The north down saga has yet to be played out if SH goes as an independent she will be beat Ian parsley so thats a UCUNF loss i do not see any other gain.UCUNF simply dont have the candidates and its too soon seymour its going to take quite a few elections to break the plorised nature of NI politics..UCUNF standing in all 18seats will deffo mean SF and SDLP win FST and South Belfast.

    Heres my prediction based on UCUNF standing in all 18 seats.Taking the margin of error and the fact sitting MPs are defending there seats anf majorities.

    DUP 9 ( No change)
    SF 5 (No change)
    SDLP 3 (no change)
    UCUNF 0 down one

    Independent up one SH if she goes Indepedent

  3. posted by Kathleen Collins

    Let’s not forget another factor in the equation. A new leader for SDLP and the major ick factor of gerry adams….

  4. athleen Collins, on December 30th, 2009 at 4:33 pm Said:

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Let’s not forget another factor in the equation. A new leader for SDLP and the major ick factor of gerry adams….

    Kathleen

    i agree with your points but it seems that people will vote for the sinners no matter what.

  5. any other party leader would of gone by now but this is sinn fein and gerry adams we are talking about.Its just not normal its quite disgracful that adams is still in his position and his hence men are defending him.

  6. Paul: “any other party leader would of gone by now”

    Not true.

    “Why did the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster and North America, under the leadership of Ian Paisley, Alan Cairns and Frank McClellan, fail to report the sexual abuse of a 13 year old girl by several of its men? Why did they take the shocking decision to blame her for the abuse, and to label her as an “adulteress”, even though she was beneath the age of consent? BBC Spotlight’s ‘Burning Secret’, screened in June 2006, investigates this disturbing story, and features interviews with a Detective from the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit, church leaders Frank McClellan and David Brame and an attempted interview with a reluctant and evasive Ian Paisley.”

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4234597940947005116#docid=-435141640418192099

  7. Thank you for info above, Seymour.

    This is from today’s Irish Times:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/letters/2009/1231/1224261476404.html

    Madam, – Niall O’Donohoe (December 7th) referred to Prof Neil O’Doherty’s lecture in 1980 concerning sexual abuse of children and the resulting severe criticism Prof O’Doherty received for even suggesting such things were happening in Ireland of that time.

    Now I feel strongly that it is in the context of that time and later that this issue should be studied and not the partially media driven witch-hunt and scapegoating of auxiliary bishops of Dublin past and present. Truth and justice is not served in such scapegoating.

    As was revealed, of course serious errors of judgment were made by the church authorities, but they were made in the context of the time. This is not by way of making excuses for the great damage that so many suffered by these crimes of depravity committed by men who totally betrayed the scared trust given to them at ordination.

    Less than 20 years ago most educated people had never heard of the word paedophilia. As far as I am aware, professional and statutory bodies did not know how to deal with the problem when it arose. The judiciary would give out suspended sentences with a warning to offenders. The social services and Garda would often ignore information given to them of allegations in their area. They were extremely hesitant to intrude into the privacy of a family where such abuse might be happening.

    The psychological/psychiatric professions sent offenders on treatment programmes and would often certify such people back to their location, or ministry in the case of priests, not realising that a very high percentage reoffended.

    Finally. the Department of Education more often than not ignored very abusive teachers in primary and secondary schools throughout the country for decades and teachers’ unions likewise did very little to remove such teachers.

    It was only about 15 years ago, when survivors of abuse felt free to tell their stories and be heard in the process, that it finally dawned on society – and not just the church – how appalling a crime sexual abuse is and the great damage it has caused.

    Of course one can say the leaders in the Catholic Church should have known better, but in the context of the time they unfortunately did not. They failed – as other professions likewise failed. If bishops have to resign, then, in justice, leaders of other professions and statutory bodies who made serious errors of judgment in this matter should likewise resign. – Yours, etc,

    DR GP LEWIS,

    Ramleh Park,

    Milltown, Dublin 6.

  8. My prediction is that the U&C’s will win:
    East Antrim (my con)
    South Antrim
    Upper Bann
    and North Down (if Lady S runs)

  9. Garza, on December 31st, 2009 at 12:21 pm Said:

    My prediction is that the U&C’s will win:
    East Antrim (my con)
    South Antrim
    Upper Bann
    and North Down (if Lady S runs)

    the above predictions are fantasy east antrim will return sammy wolson comfortably.And i say that as someone who has no time for the DuP

    Upper bann CU have no chance either as they dont in south Antrim the candidates are not hihj profile enough

  10. Not really, few factors already contribute to a UUP/Con swing.

    1. Cloughfern ward has been transferred to North Belfast from East Antrim. This ward is a heavy DUP voting block.
    2. Alliance votes will be bled to the UUP this time round. EA alliance fav Sean Neeson, is not running and the tory pact has inspired many protestant alliance voters (like me).
    3. All the TUV need is to get 3000 votes in EA and this seat is wide open and I think the TUV will get them.
    4. DUP are incumbents in a unpopular shared government. Technically so are the UUP, but the DUP as the leading party gets much of the flak.

    Thats a very premature statement to make seeing as the Tory electorial machine hasn’t kicked in yet.

  11. 10.
    Garza, on December 31st, 2009 at 5:32 pm Said:

    Not really, few factors already contribute to a UUP/Con swing.

    1. Cloughfern ward has been transferred to North Belfast from East Antrim. This ward is a heavy DUP voting block.
    2. Alliance votes will be bled to the UUP this time round. EA alliance fav Sean Neeson, is not running and the tory pact has inspired many protestant alliance voters (like me).
    3. All the TUV need is to get 3000 votes in EA and this seat is wide open and I think the TUV will get them.
    4. DUP are incumbents in a unpopular shared government. Technically so are the UUP, but the DUP as the leading party gets much of the flak.

    Thats a very premature statement to make seeing as the Tory electorial machine hasn’t kicked in yet.

    sammy wilson will hold the seat with a reduced majority.He will hold the seat comfortably by 5000 plus

  12. plus in south antrim and upper bann the CU wont take either.At the last gen election trimble and burnside were sitting MPs and were un seated if it hadnt of being them two standing the UUP vote in both those two seats would of being a lot lower and would of collasped.CU havnt got any candidates and these two seats in my opinion will return DUP MPs.If SH stands in north down as an independent she will beat Ian parsley.Unless the CU show common sense in FST and south belfast which would see good chance of a CU gain in one of these seats.There is the very real prspect of the CU returning 0 MPs

  13. Dear all,

    Firstly, a very Happy New Year.

    I just want to say that some commenters, when replying to others, are copying and pasting the first comment in its entirely. A short reference to the first comment is sufficient.

    Thank you

  14. Happy new year seymour and to everyone who posts and views this blog.It wont belong until the UCU candidates are announced any idea when seymour.?????

  15. The 18 CU candidates are supposed to be announced in January.

    I would guess 13 UUP and 5C in SB, SA, ND, EL and either SF or LV – EA, EB and UB could also come into the mix. I suspect either 3 or 4 wins for the CU’s could be possible.

  16. EMANONON, on January 3rd, 2010 at 10:51 pm Said:

    The 18 CU candidates are supposed to be announced in January.

    thanks for that.I totally disagree wit you I see only 2 gains at the very best and if north down isnt sorted and SH stands as an Independent the UCUNF will lose that seat because sH will bear Ian parsley.The only other possible gain is either south belfast or FST.The crazy decision to stand in all 18 seats will almost certaintly see SF and the SDLP win these two seats.I dont thnk either upper bann or SA will be UCUNF gains they havnt got high enough profile candidates the candidates mentioned i have never heard off.And with Flash Harry lmao being almost certain to be UCUNFs candidate in upper bann. I think voters will burst out laughing.I can already see it Flash harry loses upper bann and the queen/freddie murcury song another one(UCUNF bites the dust you couldnt make the whole thing up.Its so laughable

  17. North down saga latest

    Sir Reg in crunch meeting with Lady Hermon see below

    UUP leader Sir Reg Empey has held talks with Lady Sylvia Hermon to discuss her future in the party.
    The two-hour meeting on Saturday morning was also attended by UUP chairman David Campbell, as the looming General Election forces the party to decide whether it will support the candidature of the North Down MP.

    Lady Hermon has repeatedly made clear her opposition to the UUP’s link with the Conservatives and in November she refused to attend the party conference in protest at the link.

    Although in public the party has made little clear public comment on the situation, it is now being forced to decide who will stand for it in North Down.

    Privately, senior Conservatives are frustrated at the UUP’s delay in selecting candidates, particularly in making a decision about who will run in North Down.

    The Conservatives selected their prospective candidates to run for the UUP-Tory alliance several months ago and it is understood that once the UUP has finalised its list of names, the Conservative and Unionist joint committee will meet to make a decision on who the joint candidate will be in every seat across the Province.

    Lady Hermon said that an amicable meeting had taken place on Saturday but again stressed her opposition to taking the Conservative whip if re-elected.

    “Our meeting lasted more than two hours at party headquarters,” she told the News Letter.

    “There wasn’t a row. I didn’t raise my voice, nor did Reg or the chairman. Instead, we discussed all sorts of options.

    “However, I kept repeating my consistent opposition to being obliged to vote with the Tories, except for votes of conscience.”

  18. [...] potential to impact on turnout and final count, and this post will look at those rather than enter fanciful prediction as others have [...]

  19. politics is always in a flux of change.

    Today we have some new variables to consider.
    First, that the Boston Globe is calling for gerry adams to resign and basically get out of politics– Boston is a place where sinn fein gets alot of it’s support and money. A big factor to condsider. If gerry doesn’t go then lots of sinn fein US money will.

    Second factor -the DUP. On the whole…people will look at the affair as a situation between the husband and wife…. At the time of the scandal within sinn fein and how they are dealing with it…the fact gerry adams believed his brother had sexually abused his daughter from the age of 4…and how the Robinson’s dealt with their issue are worlds apart. In the long run people will respect the Robinson’s…and be disgusted by sinn fein. And that may play a big factor in the election.

  20. After tonight the UUP/Tories might be getting more seats than I originally thought.

  21. Garza, on January 7th, 2010 at 11:25 pm Said:

    After tonight the UUP/Tories might be getting more seats than I originally thought.

    I think you are right I have got egg on my face now.I would say possible four gains for UCUNF now.

  22. As a somewhat optimistic SDLP voter, I am somewhat encouraged/shocked that Liam Adams and to a lesser extent disilusionment with the republicanian movement would deteriorate the PSF vote enough to leave WT and N&A vulnerable to the SDLP to make gains … don’t get me wrong I hope they do, it would take a major vote swing either towards the SDLP or to the Republican and Socialist alternatives. I don’t see UNCUF making major inroads in Fermanagh South Tyrone, even with an SDLP revival and Sinn Féin losses, Arlene Foster would likely benefit from the split vote as the hardcore of the TUV won’t eat into her vote to benefit the sitting Sinn Fein MP nor will they vote UnionisTory. Clearly UNCUF’s only hope is a (“pro-sectarian”) unity candidate, as I cannot see the swing from the DUP to give them control of the seat.

  23. I retract that … it is a big “if”

  24. I can easily see UC returning 0 mps especially if they do not negociate with the DUP for unity candidates in FST & SB. The UC really do not have a clue that they are at the mercy of Peter Robinson and his party in this election. Dup have currently said they are not entering a candidate in ND, I personally think they should run here as they beat them here in 2007, and now that SH has left the UC that surely will split the UC vote down the middle given the high profile SH personal vote. Also, sitting MLA for North Down Alan McFarland resigned from the UC, and this may also have a major impact here, as it leaves the UC with no MP and only one MLA in what was their strongest constituency until they decided to jump into bed with the conservatives!!

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